Giving Thanks After A(nother) Miserable Loss
The turkey was safe until it ventured inside the 3-point line...
I'll try to be brief. It is Thanksgiving, after all. I have Christmas lights to hang and football to watch.
The Kings are on a pace to win 24 games this year. And while that pace has been set without mostly without Kevin Martin and with the perceived starting lineup playing only two games together (they won both, beating Minnesota and Golden State at home), 24 wins is 24 wins. The Kings have allowed shorthanded San Antonio and Phoenix teams to come to ARCO and win, and last night they spit the bit against a not too particularly talented New Jersey club.
Half of the team's losses have been by more than 10 points. I guess that you could also say that half of the team's losses have been close enough to win.
I guess what is on my mind this morning is this - It is OK for me to think that Reggie Theus sucks right now without wanting him fired. Like last year, he has this team playing very hard. But also like last year, this is a turnover prone team that cannot finish out quarters or games. The plays that are drawn up coming out of timeouts are either unimaginative or poorly executed.
Now I'm not saying that Reggie Theus is solely to blame for any of these losses, particularly last night. A couple of made free throws down the stretch and maybe we go home with a "W." But Reggie played a role. The team got down 17 and then came roaring back via the youth on this team, and much of that youth did not see the floor for the final six minutes of regulation or overtime. And while I stress that a made free throw could have been the difference, the fact remains that this team blew a six point lead with 34 seconds left in the game on their home floor.
So I may be in the "Bash Reggie" camp for awhile, at least until somebody gets a hand in the face of a three point shooter (The Nets shot 46% inside the arc last night, while their 43% 3-point percentage adjusts to a 64% yield), and at least until they consistently take better care of the ball (last night's 22 assist to 10 turnover output was a welcome exception to what we have seen in the Theus era).
Two final points. First, I agree that Reggie does not guard the three point shooters or handle the ball (insert "NOBODY DOES!" joke here). But he coaches this team, so he is responsible for the performance of this team. And I think that this team can play better than it has. Second, the "Bash Reggie" camp is not the "Fire Reggie" camp. I still believe that Theus should continue to coach this team through the rest of this year.
But I'm done cutting him slack because his star player is out or the team is young or someone missed a free throw. I want to see better execution on both ends of the floor. I'm fine with us losing a game because someone got a wide open look but couldn't hit the shot. But the recent lack of execution in late game situations has got to stop. And yes, it would be different if Kevin Martin were playing. But he's not, and the games keep ticking away.
Bash! Bash, bash, bash!
Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving.
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I feel ya
I have similiar sentiments. I am unhappy with point guard play mostly which also reflects on the team. This one was tough because the spirit of team is scrappy. They started the season in the dregs – 30, 40 point blow out losses. They came back and won at home and seemed to get some momentum and now the losses are still coming but they are hard fought. With the less successful teams they find ways to lose and I see a lot of that with this team. The one thing I will give to Reggie is his team is still fighting. They know they aren’t playoff contenders, we know it but instead of going through the motions they are playing. It is my hopeful belief that this team and this coach having growing to do and are capable of acheiving that growth.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 27, 2008 11:36 AM PST 0 recs
Why?
I am unhappy with point guard play mostly
What more, exactly, do you think Beno could have done last night? Of all our players, I put last night’s loss least at his door.
Miller’s technical.
Bobby’s jersey grab before the ball was inbounded.
Salmons’, Miller’s and Hawes’ missed freethrows.
Hawes fouling the three point shooter.
Bobby’s off-balance, enough-time-to-get-a-better-shot three.
Mikki’s inability to handle a pass under the basket. And who is stupid enough to throw an oop to him anyway? (Not Beno…)
I’m not saying Beno’s been flawless, but his defensive effort is much improved over the past couple of games, his assist numbers are up, and his shooting is good.
I’m happier with the point guard play than I am with any number of other aspects of last night’s loss.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have a 25 lb. turkey in the oven and rolls to make.
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on
Nov 27, 2008 12:11 PM PST
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I'm with you on this
Beno had 10 assists last night, 10. When’s the last time a King had 10 assists? It was probably Vlade. OK not really, but 10 assists to 3 TOs is pretty good.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on
Nov 27, 2008 12:23 PM PST
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So it was
Anthony Johnson March 18th, 2008, but still.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on
Nov 27, 2008 12:28 PM PST
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Beno's not without blame
With 37 sec left in overtime and the Kings up by 3, Beno left Dooling open at the 3 to go into the paint and guard Lopez. We had just come out of a timeout, and everyone knew that we could afford to give up a 2 but not a 3. It’s stupid plays like that plus his idiotic habit of trying to dribble through the double team and turning over the ball, that drives me crazy.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on
Nov 27, 2008 2:12 PM PST
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PLAYERS lost that game
Blaming Theus is crap!
He didn’t leave the 3 pt shooters, BobbyJ and Beno did that.
He didn’t commit a stupid technical (or two!)
He didn’t foul a three point jump-shot
He didn’t choke away multiple free throws.
There’s a certain charactor missing from this roster. A certain cold blooded attitude or player that good teams need to PUT GAMES AWAY.
This was not on Reggie, the players let the fans down, they let each other down, they let themselves down.
What? Reggie wanting the vets to demonstrate to the young guys how to finish a game? That was a bad idea? What if it had (should have!) worked.
Unfortunately I don’t know what the young players may take from this except fear of failure…
It was pathetic.
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on
Nov 28, 2008 11:41 AM PST
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So coaches bring nothing to the table?
I was specific in saying that he shares responsibility. It seems that you want to give him a free pass.
No coach makes this team a playoff team. But I sure think that there are coaches that could improve this team’s perimeter defense and their ability to hold on to the basketball. And if I am wrong, then that would make Geoff Petrie a sh*t judge of talent, as he has handed Theus a band of uncoachable players. My opinion is that GP > Theus. Therefore, Theus needs to do a better job on specific facets of his job.
This is not giving the players a get out of jail free card. They are responsible, too. It is a shared responsibility
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on
Nov 28, 2008 3:09 PM PST
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Responsibility Math
If one man plays poor perimeter defense, he is a poor defender.
If a whole team plays poor perimeter defense, the team is coached to defend the perimeter poorly.
by BrooklynFan on
Nov 28, 2008 4:44 PM PST
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a tasty, big meal cures a lot of ills
I will refrain from turkey trimming puns…
I was generalizing about point guard play not just this awful Nets loss. The offense has been erratic and much of the time directionless. Bobby Brown has been a wonderful suprise addition, however, Beno has been disappointing. He is still playing like he is trying to prove his worth rather than run the team as a quarterback. He is the typical point guard of present NBA – if I can’t score I will pass mentality. Stream of conciousness thought thrown in: someone has mentioned Larry Brown and trading Beno to the BobJohnsonCats – it will never happen. Larry Brown is a PG purist. He did wonders with AI and made Chauncy the guy who is making that previously unlikable Nuggets team the surprise of the Western Conference. Do ANY PG play defense anymore?
So yes, Beno had nice numbers for the Nets game – I am hopeful he can carry that type of play onward as the rule, not the exception.
by betweentheeyes on
Nov 28, 2008 10:20 AM PST
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PER would support betweentheeyes on this
Udrih and Brown rank 28-29 in PG PER (still ahead of the dreadedful Kirk Hinrich). And PER does not even consider opposing PG’s lighting us up, especially from beyond the arc (Steve Blake, Keyon Dooling, Devin Harris all hit dagger-style 3’s while being “covered” by Beno).
This does not mean that I’m ready to throw in the towel on Beno. But there is a lot of room for improvement.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on
Nov 28, 2008 10:30 AM PST
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Ha ha
Mikki’s inability to handle a pass under the basket. And who is stupid enough to throw an oop to him anyway? (Not Beno…)
I almost rolled on the floor laughing when I saw that.
by KingsFan on
Nov 28, 2008 4:09 PM PST
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I wish I had saw the game
I think that the minutes dispersal since Moore came back is arguing for the Kings to do a salary dump, or get a cheap player with the talent they desire back for him. He’s clearly done all he can do for this team.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 27, 2008 2:30 PM PST 0 recs
Mikki Moore
taking any minutes from Hawes or Jt, at this point, just pisses me off. Initially, I was in the “let him start” camp. Not any more. He is clearly not nearly as good as either young player. And this should be obvious to the head coach as well. Mikki Moore should only be on the floor when the other bigs are in foul trouble. Giving him any more than 10 mins a night is simply an indefensible coaching decision – absent injury or foul trouble.
by Kusian on
Nov 27, 2008 9:57 PM PST
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well
YOU try making a shot with a giant snapping lobster claw in your face
by Viliphied on
Nov 28, 2008 10:46 AM PST
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Thoughts?
Does anybody really see a huge improvement defensivley from Hawes/JT to Moore? I just don’t see it. Yes, he is a bit quicker. But, he is by no means a lock-down defender; and his post-defense isn’t great either. What you give up offensively simply is not worth it defensively.
by Kusian on
Nov 28, 2008 11:29 AM PST
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For your perusal
AFter the Rox disappointing loss to Indy last night, Dave of The Dream Shake had this to say:
There is no way the Rockets should have lost last night. Blowing a double-digit lead with just a few minutes left? (Hey, has anyone realized that Troy Murphy is wide-the-fuck-open at the top of the key… still?). That is some sloppy defense played tonight. We get outscored 27-16 in the fourth quarter? I can live with only scoring 16 points, but giving up 27 in the money period? Shameful.
I’m not doing this to say Reggie deserves slack, for anything or whatever at this point. It’s just that, fans tend to have this reaction everywhere. One side nightly is bound to be consistently pissed off.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 27, 2008 2:59 PM PST 0 recs
Off with Reggie's head
his firing is imminent.
by Can't Fire Me, TZ on Nov 28, 2008 7:52 AM PST 0 recs
You know what bugs me the most about this team?
Every time they think they have enough of a lead in the last minute of a game they absolutely quit playing defense and the other team knows it. So their PG simply runs the ball up the court and makes a layup without so much as a hand put in his face. It’s like somebody has given the other team a green light so it’s simply a layup drill. Well, that strategy bit them in the butt this time. I’m just sick of seeing it. Why do the fans put up with this? The boo birds need to come out at that point and I don’t care how much of a lead there is.
When I was coaching youth and the other team was pressed for time that’s when I would call for a full court press. More often than not it resulted in a turn over. Not saying that is what Theus should be doing but he needs to put a stop to giving green lights.
by KingsFan on Nov 28, 2008 9:51 AM PST 0 recs










