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It seems like only yesterday we lauded Reggie Theus' frontline rotations. Last night against Dallas, Jason Thompson didn't enter the game until there were only 30 seconds left in the first quarter. He played about half the second quarter, earning two rebounds during his stint but doing little else. Still, he's been one of your brightest spots early this season. Per minute, Thompson and similarly snubbed Spencer Hawes (who also had six minutes in the first half) are the team's best big men scorers, far exceeding the potency of Brad Miller and Mikki Moore. Take a look.

Brad Miller                 35mpg    12.4ppg     .354 pt/min
Mikki Moore               23mpg      5.9ppg     .259 pt/min
Spencer Hawes       29mpg    12.4ppg     .433 pt/min
Jason Thompson    26mpg    10.7ppg     .418 pt/min

If you need to score, you turn to your better scorers, yes? In the third quarter, Sacramento again faltered. It wasn't quite as bloody as in Utah, but things got out of hand quickly. The Kings offense, particularly in the frontcourt, was pathetic. The team registered 19 points for the period.

How many minutes do you think Hawes, your best big man scorer, or Thompson, your second-best big man scorer, played in that fatal third quarter?

Hawes: 2 minutes, 45 seconds.
Thompson: 0 minutes, 0 seconds.

Theus is allowing his starters to play themselves out of the game before giving Thompson any burn. Is Moore really doing something out there that makes it hard to take him off the court? He plays decent enough team defense, especially compared to Miller or Hawes. But this team ain't winning with defense right now. And this team certainly ain't winning without getting a few buckets. Something tells me Mikki Moore isn't going to help you get more buckets. Something like ... empirical proof.

Of course, Thompson and Hawes happen to also be the two best rebounders in the rotation. And the two best shotblockers. And they are efficient scorers. And they turn the ball over less than the starters at their positions. And they create shots at a higher clip.

Don't tell me it's the foul situation. If you're down by 19 entering the fourth quarter, does it really matter if Thompson picked up his third personal foul back in the second? This team is not good enough to mess with foul tactics. This team needs to be playing its best players. You can't tell me Moore is better than Thompson right now. Miller's offensive gifts from the high post may outweigh Hawes' presence, but Hawes is also 20 years old while Miller is 32.

Vanquish the Hydra. Free Shock & Hawes.

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Better idea

We all pitch in to take out a full page ad in the Bee.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 30, 2008 8:31 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Nobody buys the Bee

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by section214 on Nov 30, 2008 8:35 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

No

But we read it online.

And I bet one of the Maloofs’ lackeys would see it and bring it to their attention.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 30, 2008 8:40 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think that's the job of the youngest, dimmest and heretofore unkown Maloof son

Lackey Maloof.

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by section214 on Nov 30, 2008 8:44 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I thought

His name was Bootlicker.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 30, 2008 8:46 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Its not Koz Maloof?

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Nov 30, 2008 1:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The youngest maloof

must be named I Maloof. then if you spelled his name backwards he would be fool am I

by Beagle12 on Nov 30, 2008 8:26 PM PST to parent up   4 recs

a palindrome

that deserves a rec’d for ingenuity.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 30, 2008 9:17 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Nope

Palindromes are the same forward and backward.

Not to say it wasn’t clever, but not a palindrome.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 3, 2008 5:47 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

wow

Boob.

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by section214 on Dec 3, 2008 9:17 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

How much is this?

Sacramento's online Hip Hop community: www.watchworldwide.net

by stankpalmer on Nov 30, 2008 9:21 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Maybe

Reggie Theus has been instructed to do what he can to put this team in a position to get Blake Griffin, if Griffin chooses to come out this year. BTW, if you haven’t seen the dude play, you gotta watch him. He’s the college version of Dwight Howard!

formerly kingfaninhawaii

by kingsfaninjapan on Nov 30, 2008 8:50 AM PST   0 recs

Huh
Maybe Reggie Theus has been instructed to do what he can to put this team in a position to get [a high lottery pick]…

I find this an odd, yet interesting, thought. Before the season, there were rumblings of letting the youth play and ending up with a high draft pick because of it. The theory was a win-win of developing youth and getting a high draft pick in the process.

What’s oddly interesting is that we may already be at the point where the youth puts the team in a better position to win than the vets. The question then becomes, if the Kings aren’t playing for Lottery Position (which I don’t believe for a second that they are), are they trying to showcase the vets for potential trades? There’s a lot to think about; I just hope there’s an underlying method to the madness.

by smgmatt on Nov 30, 2008 9:12 AM PST to parent up   2 recs

Ding Ding Ding Ding we have a winner

Somebody used Ding Ding Ding Ding!

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2008 12:20 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

LOL

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2008 10:35 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Better chance sitting them

If you want to trade them you have a better chance if the other team doesn’t see them play. If you sit them maybe the other teams will forget how they play or confuse them with someone that can.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 30, 2008 4:34 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

And the Maloofs complain to the media about Theus

So that they can still be perceived as wanting to win at all costs. Theus is secure, but does have to endure some flack from fans (ahem) and media.

by misterbrister on Nov 30, 2008 7:32 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Maybe there's a claws in his contract that forces him to play Mikki

Theus is in quite a pinch if so.

Har!

au contra ire

by JediLeroy on Dec 2, 2008 7:20 PM PST to parent up   2 recs

Wow

My seafood platter came with a side of corn. Rec’d for the MOL (moan out loud).

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by section214 on Dec 2, 2008 9:29 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Here's my beef (that's what he said...)

Last night Miller/Moore got 56 minutes, Hawes/Thompson 35. And for all intents and purposes, almost half of the Hawes/Thompson minutes came in garbage time.

Mrs. Section214 and I went to the game last night, and we were rewarded for our loyalty with a pasting by yet another short handed, so-so team. And for most of the game, we were forced to watch the team’s past, not it’s future.

Dirk is is still an offensive load, but he brings nothing defensively. Of course you would not have known that last night, as we never worked him on the defensive end. Wouldn’t JT’s energy been to watch against Dirk? Wouldn’t that have been a good learning opportunity for the rook?

There are no shot blockers on the Mavs other than Diop, and he only saw the floor the last couple of minutes. Wouldn’t the inside game of Hawes and Thompson been nice to see?

So, $120 later (after parking and food), we saw a steaming pile of the past and present, with little regard to the future. Way to protect that 23 point loss, Reg.

Bash Reggie! Bash, bash, bash!

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by section214 on Nov 30, 2008 8:59 AM PST   0 recs

Marketing?

I hope you’re not still trying to sell some of your tickets, because that’s not exactly a glowing endorsement.

by smgmatt on Nov 30, 2008 9:15 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

You...can't...put...lipstick...on...a...pig.

I still have tickets for sale. Reggie ain’t helpin’ my cause.

Bash! Bash!! Bash!!!

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by section214 on Nov 30, 2008 9:19 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Half?
almost half of the Hawes/Thompson minutes came in garbage time.

Thompson didn’t play in the 3rd. It’s closer to “about 2/3 of their minutes came in garbage time.”

The past/future thing is right on. I don’t mind losing games this season. I don’t mind getting blown out, a lot. I do mind Miller/Moore/Jackson getting huge minutes at the expense of our youth’s development.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 30, 2008 3:00 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Section is old

Let him have his optimism. It seems to be all he has (well besides children but that’s besides the point).

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2008 10:37 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Agreed.

Free Thompson and Hawes.

by Mikey G on Nov 30, 2008 11:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The Mavs game

That was my first visit to Arco, and the first NBA game my son and I have attended. I’ve probably watched thousands of games on the tube. It was a great experience, watching Dirk warm up at close range, getting pics with the cheerleaders, checking out the Koz and Kayte show up close and personal, buying a Kings ball and a short for my son, and lots of other fun things you only experience at the game.

It’s too bad the Kings didn’t show up to play and that Reggie mismanaged the lineups. The crowd was decent, but there never was a real push by the Kings to get the fans fired up. It was embarassing, and Brad Miller’s imitation of defense looks even worse in person than it does on the tube.

After the game, while driving back towards our home near Fresno, I called in the KTLA postgame show and said basically what everyone here is thinking: it’s time to play the kids, the losing started when Moore came back, Miller and Moore can’t play D to save their lives, etc. And the two morons hosting the show said, “No, wait until Kevin Martin comes back, we should stick with the veterans, blah, blah, blah.” And I couldn’t help but thing, “What freaking planet are these buffoons from?”

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2008 11:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Even in Garbage Time

Hawes and JT brought energy galore to the floor – sometimes too much energy. But what a contrast to the morgue atmosphere in place while Miller and Moore and some of the other “veterans” were sucking up minutes on the floor and draining the life out of the team.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2008 11:29 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Reggie needs to cut Mikki's minutes

The more Reggie plays Mikki over Hawes, JT or even Williams the more I lose respect for Reggie as a coach. Lets face it Mikki is not part of the future and the KINGS are losing. So why play Mikki so much? It’s not like Mikki is some defensive specialist who can put the clamps on someone like Artest could, or a rebounding or scoring machine. As a matter of fact he’s ranked as one the worst starting forwards in the game. So I ask why does Reggie start this guy over Hawes, JT or Williams? Do you think a vetern coach such as Adelman, Jackson, Pop or Sloan would start Mikki over Hawes or JT? I don’t think so. It’s already a proven fact that the KINGS can’t win with Mikki so its time to send Mikki to the bench like KT and insert JT, Hawes and …. yes even Sheldon into the BIG man rotation. The sooner these guys develop the better. Losing with JT or Hawes getting most of the minutes over Mikki is a lot easier to digest then having Mikki get more minutes then them.

by AyyJude on Nov 30, 2008 10:13 AM PST   0 recs

Mikki the scapegoat

So easy to try to pin the Kings woes on Moore. Actually, Mikki did not have a bad game last night. He’s the only one on the team who shot over 50%. Had 7 boards and no TOs. He also was best in the +/- category at -5.

No doubt the outcome would have been the same if Mikki had received a DNP-CD.

by KingsFan on Nov 30, 2008 11:25 AM PST   0 recs

Agreed 100%

Mikki could have received a DNP-CD and the Kings still would have lost by 20+. But Thompson and Hawes would have logged more important minutes.

As I have always said about Mikki, he is not the cause, nor is he the cure. While the current state of the Kings is not his fault, we know that he will never be the solution. The same cannot be said of Hawes and Thompson, as they are the great unknown. It’s time that we find out about them.

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by section214 on Nov 30, 2008 11:36 AM PST to parent up   3 recs

Amen

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2008 12:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

What did he get 4 pts

I especially liked how Dirk blew by him for a layup, and Moore pushed him in the back, to say don’t do that again. Then there was the technical. So in two plays he negated his entire offense for the game. Stellar play, let’s teach the rookies how to do that.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 30, 2008 4:44 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Sounds less like people are making him a scapegoat

and more like a call to let the young guys play. Unless you think Moore and Miller are the future of this team, and Hawes and Thompson are not, there isn’t a real good reason to limit minutes. Yeah, winning is important. And Theus wants to keep his job, not develop guys who may be all-stars after he is shown the door. But you would think the coaching staff knows who are the more efficient scorers, rebounders and blockers.

The only real reason to limit minutes is if they pissed off coach during practice with half-assed effort or goofing around. But that doesn’t sound like these guys.

Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Dec 1, 2008 12:22 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

last chance

Theus didn’t hesitate to give a lot of mins to Hawes, Thompson, Greene and Brown in the beginning of the season, so I don’t think he suddenly became a conservative coach. Maybe he just wants to give the starters some last chances to prove themselves before decreasing their minutes for good.
 
If that’s not the case.. then please fire mr. Theus.

by ZenBaller on Nov 30, 2008 12:24 PM PST   0 recs

I hope you're right

but I think you’re wrong.

so I don’t think he suddenly became a conservative coach

I think that’s exactly what happened, right about the same time his job security was put in play by Joe Maloof. Reggie seems to me like a coach who is trying anything to keep his job. “Fuck the youth, I can’t take their mistakes right now, I need a fuckin’ win, now!”

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 30, 2008 3:06 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

mos def

Joe Maloof put Reggie in an untenable position which was why his comments at the time were so irritating. Develop the kids and make the playoffs is an oxymoron with the vets we have. The bottom line is we aren’t going to make the playoffs this year so…………. play the kids.

I have a hard time believing that the team is trying to showcase the veterans we want to trade. After watching almost all our games I don’t believe that there are any teams in the NBA who would take brad and mikki if the Maloofs were paying their whole salary for the rest of the year.

It looks to me like Reggie is screwed either way he goes, a classic no-win/no-win proposition.

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Nov 30, 2008 5:03 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

agreed

At the time Joe opened his Maloof, I was pleasantly surprised and delighted by how Reggie was playing the kids and trusting the kids. It was bizarro timing.

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Nov 30, 2008 5:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

What is the Kings record?

before Joe opened his mouth and after?

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2008 11:31 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

So Reggie is perhaps a transitional coach then

in the eyes of Joe Maloof?

Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Dec 1, 2008 12:25 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

It probably depends at this point

How this team performs from here on out. Reggie is nearing the end of his grace period, and getting on thin ice again I imagine. (He was on thin ice after 4 games.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 12:13 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

But

If someone had told me before the season started that Jason Thompson would be averaging 25.6 minutes with 10 starts under his belt by this time, I would have been very satisfied with that.

by cbsf on Nov 30, 2008 9:39 PM PST   4 recs

True that

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 1, 2008 4:49 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Rec'd

For perspective.

by smgmatt on Dec 1, 2008 6:44 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yes

The kids have gotten a LOT of minutes.

As to the frustrations and turmoil expressed by many above

I have little to add that would make sense at the moment. I do think Mikki needs to be moved for almost anything we can get, and as soon as possible. Not because I dislike him, but because i think he’s just in the way.
I think GP needs to make another statement that this team is moving on – moving forward.

Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 10:08 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

To be fair...

I was at the Dallas game, and the youngsters all played TERRIBLE. They ended up with numbers, but it was all in garbage time. I think the most obvious weak link among the vets right now isn’t Mikki, but Brad. I give him all the credit in the world for what he did last year, but his lack of work ethic this season (on the floor, at least…I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes) combined with his over-insistence on hazing the youngsters paired with the inordinate number of youngsters on the team can’t be helping team morale any. It’s time to move him to a playoff-bound team for picks and cash.

-DB (www.estreetfilmsociety.blogspot.com)

by BarnesyardSportsManagement on Dec 1, 2008 11:21 AM PST   0 recs

JT seems to have hit the rookie wall

I agree. Hopefully he’ll work out of it.

I’m not sure what you base the ‘lack of work ethic’ by BMiller on, I haven’t seen it.

Not really defending him but he seems to be evryone’s favorite pick for fallguy/goat. I’ve seen him many times try very hard to ‘go to the hole’, not his strength I admit – and not get rewarded by the officials for it.

I also don’t think he’s in Hawes or JT’s way, unlike Mikki. Unless there is a really good reason to lighten payroll – I don’t get it.

Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 3:09 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

JT is very obviously frustrated these last few games

part of growth, he will have to play his way out of it.
As for who is the bigger scapegoat: MM or BM, my view is based on expectations and salary, as wel as “heart”. I see more movement of Brad MIllers’ lips than his feet, and I can’t stomach it.

I vote that Miller gets the goat.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 1, 2008 6:49 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

For me

there is no goat. The team wasn’t supposed to be very good. It’s all about preparing for the future and neither Miller nor Moore is the future. Having the two of them take 60-70 of the available 96 minutes at PF/C hurts that preparation.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 1, 2008 7:00 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

exactly

and my belief is that unless there’s a really good reason to lighten payroll NOW, it should be MM that gets out of the way. Miller has a real value, skills he can pass on, i don’t know what MM teaches the kids (but I LIKE the guy)

BMiller can always be reevaluated at the trade dealine.

Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !

by lietothegirls on Dec 2, 2008 5:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

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